Category: Nutrition

  • I wanted to help people prevent chronic disease…

    Dalia Kinsey, RD, LD, SNS, chose to be a dietician because she wanted to help people prevent chronic disease; this was before receiving a diagnosis of Graves Disease, an autoimmune disorder that causes an overactive thyroid.

    Dalia Kinsey

    In this first of a two-part interview, Dalia shares anecdotes of dealing with a chronic health condition in another country where certain modern conveniences, like continuous running water, are lacking.

    Her lived experience and academic training have shown her that many people make the false correlation between weight and health. Dalia believes,

    Health is not just determined by one or two factors. Eating is such a social thing and feeling connected to others and happy and not judging yourself when you’re eating, I think also plays a major part as to how your body relates to those calories. And it affects digestion, how you feel about your food, that I think it’s important not to have any strict food rules, but the basics that we all know from our mom or grandma from whenever is that you should eat vegetables and you should eat fruit and you should really, really eat vegetables.

    As a healthcare practitioner Dalia views her role is “to be a facilitator and there for whatever the patient wants, not to be like this parental figure telling anyone what to do because you know better.”

    Here’s part 2 of our conversation.

    If you want to hear another healthcare professional speak about her journey as a physician diagnosed with autoimmune disorders, listen to this previous podcast episode.

  • Diabetes? Two personal stories about movement and plant-based diet

    Diabetes? Two personal stories about movement and plant-based diet

    Dianna Rowley, diagnosed with diabetes type 1, was a professional dancer. Although she had health issues in her childhood she wasn’t diagnosed until her early 20s when she experienced a major health crisis. Her journey to wellness and life balance includes a lot of exercise and movement with setbacks and successes along the way. Today she is a Health & Fitness Coach inspiring others with disabilities and chronic health conditions.

    Heather Brock was diagnosed with diabetes type 2 nearly three years ago. An endocrinologist put her on medication which caused an adverse reaction. Determined to find a better way to manage the condition, Heather began reading books about reversing diabetes. Inspired by physicians like Dean Ornish, Michael Greger, and Joel Fuhrman, Heather adopted a plant-based diet and reversed the disease. She highly recommends Mastering Diabetes and Chef AJ.

  • Food = Medicine: Mushrooms for Mental & Physical Health

    Food = Medicine: Mushrooms for Mental & Physical Health

    We’ve got Jill Nussinow, R.D., The Veggie Queen, sharing tips about nutritious and medicinal mushrooms as well as Adam Strauss, creator of The Mushroom Cure, talking about his years of treating anxiety and OCD which led to his discovery of psilocybin’s therapeutic powers.

    To dig deeper into the awe-inspiring mushroom world, check out weekly online articles at Spirituality & Health.

    Psilocybin is also being used for end of life care.

  • Self-Care Challenge: What am I eating?

    Selective memory? I remember many things. Like that amazing dinner we had last night at a posh vegan restaurant somewhere in London. I even remember the name — Vanilla Black. But I have no idea what I had for breakfast, lunch, or dinner three days ago.

    It probably wasn’t as memorable. Not as pretty. Not as tasty. And maybe not as healthy.

    Depending on our metabolism, our digestion may move slowly…sluggishly…so it’s prudent to have a sense of what you eat, how much, and when. How can you know what may have disagreed with your system if your memory isn’t always keen?

    Last year when I started using the Health Storylines app, I took quickly to the Food Diary feature. Having the app on my home desktop computer as well as my smartphone allows me to capture my meals quickly without relying on three-day old memories.

    The feature also provides space for you to record any type of physical reaction to the meal.

    Another way I use the feature is to scan how I’ve been eating the past few days — have I consumed enough greens, fruits, and other healthy whole foods? Am I limiting my intake of processed foods?

    Because I can’t rely on my memory. 😉

  • Life After Cancer: It’s a Time of Reflection (3 of 3)

    In this third of a series podcast episode, Valerie Sans shares how her cancer experience had a dramatic impact on her life. After surgery and chemo treatment, she left a career of teaching to co-found a travel company, French Escapade, and explored alternative healing modalities including the Budwig Diet, homeopathy, immunotherapy, Beljanski Protocol, acupuncture, Papimi, and a more plant-based diet.

    For those of you unfamiliar with sophrology — which includes me — here’s an introduction. Valerie talks about meeting with a sophrologist as routine in the French healthcare system.

  • Self-Care Challenge: Garbage In, Garbage Out

    If memory serves me correctly, the phrase garbage in, garbage out refers to the quality of computer programming. But it can also be applied to how we eat. Think about it. You’ve heard we are what we eat, but…our poop definitely reflects what we eat. Indeed!

    Okay, I crossed that line. I talked about poop. Since we now have poop emoji maybe the discussion is not as profane as it was when I was growing up.

    I can’t remember ever being asked by a doctor about my poop/defecation/elimination routine. If you had diarrhea, you talked about it but it was not an in-depth conversation regarding the size, shape, and color of it.

    In the mid-90s, when I first went to an acupuncture clinic, there was deep talk about some deep shit (ha!). Until that point I’d not really shared anything about my daily multiple bowel movements. I assumed I had IBS which every other woman I knew seemed to have. But the acupuncture practitioner spent time listening to what my diet consisted of – both food and beverages. She seized on my large glass of fresh organic orange juice each morning.

    Even though I started eating a vegetarian diet in college, I still had some GI issues. Once I gave up the daily juice (huge blast of sugar in my system) and the inexpensive veggie restaurant meals, my GI system got some welcome relief. I became the TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) poster child for the perfect one poop a day.

    Another eye opener for me happened just a few years ago at a Stanford University Neuromuscular Patient Conference. A young charismatic gastroenterologist introduced the Bristol Stool Chart to us. She reviewed how to use it and gave it her MD blessing. Finally, there was a language to use to talk about poop and not feel juvenile.

    Health Storylines Stool Diary Tool

    The Health Storylines app has a Stool Diary feature that uses the Bristol Stool Chart to help you maintain a record of your elimination (or poop!). Now, why would you want to do this?

    Lots of reasons. The first that comes to mind is to use it along with the Food Diary so you have a better understanding of what you eat and how your system responds. Garbage in, garbage out.

    The second reason is cautionary. Just today I was reading an article, “How to Lower Your Risk of Cancer” in the April 2019 issue of Nutrition Action Healthletter. Warning signs for colon and rectum cancer include diarrhea or constipation and bright red or very dark blood in your stool. Warning signs for esophagus cancer include black stools.

    If you listened to an early podcast episode about a friend who battled colon cancer, you’ll recall she ignored some early signs of blood in her stool. Your body often sends you messages that you should be mindful of. Keeping track of what you eat and how your system responds is a good way to keep that conversation going.

  • Food=Medicine: Cooking with Love

    In the continuing series, Food=Medicine, Cooking with Love explores different interpretations of how love can be a vital element in the food we eat. Whether it’s part of the mission of a local organic farm, a vegetarian chef preparing pureed, nutrient-dense food for her father with progressive Parkinson’s disease, or another chef infusing fine dining, multi-coursed meals with cannabis — each guest offers a fresh perspective for mindful eating.

    Lacey Sher, owner/Chef of the Encuentro pop-up restaurant in Oakland, CA shares two recipes for nutrient-dense smoothies. Aleta Pierce, farm manager for Alameda Point Collaborative’s farm2market program, welcomes farm volunteers and CSA subscribers. Michael Magallanes, San Francisco-based chef, prepares meals for private clients.

    Sweet and Green Protein Smoothie

    hemp milk, coconut water, or spring water

    handful organic fresh or frozen blueberries

    handful organic fresh or frozen raspberries

    4-5 leaves of lacinato kale or romaine

    handful of parsley

    2 scoops hemp protein

    3 pitted dates

    1/2 avocado

    – add ingredients into your Vitamix or blender
    – blend together until super smooth
    – pour into your favorite to go jar or mug
    – sip slow and enjoy!

    Berry Banana Antioxidant Booster   

    This smoothie is full of colorful foods, such as berries and cacao, which are loaded with a wealth of vitamins and antioxidants to help the body stay strong and vital. Plus with B-vitamin dense maca, omega rich hemp seeds, and beauty boosting coconut oil, this smoothie is filling yet completely whole and natural, assuring optimal function of body and mind. Enjoy!

    3 cups of water or herbal tea

    1 cup frozen organic blueberries

    1 cup frozen organic strawberries or raspberries

    1 frozen or fresh organic banana

    handful of cacao nibs

    2 tablespoons raw coconut oil

    1/3 cup hemp seeds

    2 tablespoons maca

    1/2 stick vanilla bean or ½ teaspoon vanilla extract

    optional: 2 tablespoons spirulina, your favorite green powder, or vanilla

    Sweetener of choice: 3 tablespoons honey or agave, 2-3 pitted dates, or 3 drops stevia (Stevia is very sweet and strong. Use the least amount to taste.)
    – add ingredients into your Vitamix or blender
    – blend together until super smooth
    – pour into your favorite to go jar or mug
    – sip slow and enjoy!

    These are simple and delicious and folks can use less fruit for less sweetness. I also like to add different ingredients such as chia, moringa powder, sometimes different vegetables like cooked or raw sweet potatoes, substitute spinach for kale if I have it. So many options. ~ Lacey Sher

    Resources for Dysphagia (Swallowing difficulties)

    If you truly want to understand the mechanics of dysphagia, check out this recorded webinar with the author of the textbook, Dysphagia: Clinical Management in Adults and Children, Michael E. Groher, Ph.D. It’s about an hour in duration but you’ll have a much better understanding of what this condition is.

    Here is a community-generated recipe guide for people with swallowing difficulties. Recipes were submitted by caregiving family members.

    Here is a recorded panel discussion about food preparation for people with dysphagia. Additional resources can be found here.

    More Food=Medicine Podcast Episodes

    The first Food=Medicine podcast episode included Retired Navy Lieutenant Laura Root and Edibell Stone, LPC & health coach talking about their respective diets. The second Food=Medicine podcast episode featured Jill Nussinow, The Veggie Queen, at the Farm to Fermentation Festival. Jill is a Registered Dietician and author of cookbooks and DVDs. If you want to go deeper into an understanding of fermented foods and their healing properties, check out this episode with fermentation guru, Sandor Katz. This episode explores the ancient tradition of Ayurveda through one woman’s health and diet journey.

  • Ayurveda: Moderation is the Key

    Ayurveda: Moderation is the Key

    Shaaranya Geetanjali Chakraborty’s health journey includes many stops along the way before finding Ayurveda. Not only did the ancient tradition of medicine cure her of chronic constipation and eczema but it changed the course of her career. Shaaranya is a graduate of Vedika Global founded by Acharya Shunya, scholar of the Vedic Sciences of Ayurveda, Yoga, and Vedanta. You can learn more about Shaaranya’s work here.

    For more information about Ayurveda, check out Acharya’s book, Ayurveda Lifestyle Wisdom: A Complete Prescription to Optimize Your Health, Prevent Disease, and Live with Vitality and Joy.

    Transcript

    okay okay boom um so well actually first i want to make sure that i not only pronounce your name correctly but have your entire name because the name of the skype account could that be your husband’s name or no that’s my birth name so my birth name is gitanjali and the last name that you see there it’s my parents i haven’t quite done the conversion to my husband’s last name because of all the paperwork and then the name that you know me by shahrunya that was a spiritual name given to me by acharya shunya and it’s a very interesting process you know so most of the students in our school got an additional name to their birth name based on what goal they needed to achieve so my name sharanya actually means the one who gives refuge and more than refuge i think that sounds more egoistic but really who can’t who doesn’t make distinction between who comes to that person for help and given that i was a very judgmental person now that i can see that when i was studying in the school i never quite knew why she would give that name to me and now the work that i do in the clinic you know i can’t deny service to anyone just because of whatever i may be thinking or the opinion i’m forming so that name is very apt in that sense and she and she really like sort of zeroed in on something it was like a psychic sort of uh vision for her pretty much that’s how she gives name you know like she’ll go into her zone and she’ll give a name and she’ll say this is this is your name in addition to whatever you have and you can choose to go just by that or continue with your birth name as well and yeah so it just comes to her i wouldn’t say randomly that’s not the word but really the psychic power of you know where she thinks you need to be going and these are students who have worked with her for four or five years so it’s not like i’m meeting her for the first time and she’s coming up with something so she’s known me she knows my patterns and then you know she’s going into a zone and coming up with a name because i asked for it uh-huh wow okay so how when i when i introduce you because i don’t you know i i do like an intro and a little bio information and then in the podcast notes which is you know text on the webpage uh what what name would you best do you prefer i go by so okay i can do that i can type that for you in the oh no i have well i have your signature from the email and then so i have it all available just if you could say it one more time slowly and i will be able to practice that before i record my intro okay it’s

    that’s the first name and then gitanjali

    okay and chakraborty you could just skip that completely if you wanted to oh no no i can do it i i did an interview with uh a man i met at a yoga conference uh merely and and i can’t remember his last name but i was able to pronounce it but i had met him in person and he i don’t know if you happen to see it it’s called the science of yoga i saw it on your podcast i haven’t had a chance to hear it but i definitely saw merlie’s recording there okay have you heard of him no i haven’t oh he’s you know i just i went to two of his sessions in seattle and i just i i was fascinated with his talk and it may be a talk that other people gave but the way he he made it just so accessible and it’s really you know goes into a lot of uh you know physiological processes that happen uh you know while practicing yoga and i i just loved it so um yeah if you listen to it sometime i mean i’m sure you’re familiar with a lot of it but i found him very accessible so that’s why i asked him to participate that’s amazing but it was good for me to listen to his pronunciation a few times because i i i was saying merely but it was kind of more like a a melodic you know flow to it than i uh anyhow so um can you tell me about the chronic condition you you spoke about at the the class the workshop i went to because i you know i i just find um when someone has a personal story that led them to you know significant changes in their life and for you not just increasing your health and vitality but also it changed your course of direction um i’m i’m very moved by those kinds of stories yeah i thank you actually those um you know i mean it it was completely a turning point for me so uh it started i actually used to suffer from chronic constipation and actually i’ll start again because chronic constipation was not the root cause so what had happened is that in 2006 is when i was doing a yoga teacher training course and right around that time after i finished it i found a patch on my leg which looked strange and i didn’t know what it was but i ignored it for some time and then i was getting married uh in 2007 and then things were starting to advance a little more so right before i was getting married i wanted to resolve everything that was going on and so i started exploring you know the regular dermatologist and i was in india at that time and i went to a skin specialist and he saw and examined my patch and he’s like oh it’s nothing it’s just dry skin it’ll go away and then i said but i’ve had this for almost a year and he said ah well okay in that case you know let’s do different tests and we’ll take a patch of it and test it for different things so they tried all different things a couple of testings and nothing came out and then interestingly they sent me for blood work to test me if i was hiv positive and and i was like wait wait a minute you know i know how that actually happens but i’m pretty sure i haven’t been in contact in that sense you know so it doesn’t make sense to me they were like oh no no no we’re not you know we’re doing this just to rule things out so i was like okay fine so i did that and nothing came out so interestingly you know they just kept moving me from one department to the other and nothing actually came off it because it was a really tiny patch and it’s interesting that i keep emphasizing on it because it’ll become more relevant uh you know in the later part of the story so then uh finally you know they sent me the to um they told me they recommended me to a psychiatric department saying that i’m just imagining things and i don’t really have something going on so i said okay that’s it you know i i really need to find something else and i’m going to give this up for now and try to heal myself but then i got married i got married moved to the u.s and then you know we were on an insurance and i restarted reinitiated that whole um health thing to find out if the doctors here could find a reason for it so here they told me okay it’s eczema and it’s you know will give you a steroid and you know it’ll take care of it i said great and how long am i taking it so they said we’ll start you with a lower percentage and then we’ll keep increasing the dosage you know it it’s hard to say if you’ll ever stop using it it may happen or it may not happen and i said no but that’s not my solution i need something where i’m not dependent on anything so that’s where my alternative search started ayurveda not being the first one so i started with homeopathy macrobiotics and um i also went vegan so i tried everything for six months each and nothing you know they they definitely had their own value because they would resolve some other thing that my body was going through but i wasn’t really getting help with what i was suffering with which is when um we went for you know a yoga retreat me and my husband to grass valley farm and which is not too far from here and there there was it i’d with a practitioner on the center and my husband said why don’t you give this a try it has like it’s too expensive i think the consultation was about 250 dollars and to me i don’t know that at that point it felt a little outrageous i said this is so expensive and i don’t even know if it’s going to benefit me but you know given that he pushed me into it and i said okay i’ll go to her so then our consultation began and it was i think it lasted about an hour 15 minutes and you know she went through the entire life story you know the medical history and what i was going through and then we came to this part where she talked about digestion and i told her oh yeah i don’t have bowel movements every day i have constipation but that’s because my grandfather had it my father has it and i have it so don’t worry about that i took pills for it so she said no no no let’s focus on that how long have you had it i said no you don’t get it i came here to you for my eczema which started with the patch and now it’s you know in quite a few places and i really need to take care of that so she said don’t worry about it we’ll get to it but let’s just focus here on the digestive system and it was back and forth and you know so i was getting a little antsy with her and because i felt i wasn’t able to get through and she had her point but you know she had to scold me at some point to tell me that either you surrender and believe in what i’m going to tell you or you know we can end this right here so then that had grounded myself and i said okay fine given i have tried everything else let me give this a faithful shot before i give up and you had invested 250 dollars exactly that was no refund definitely so then you know she she changed that course for me basically of sleep patterns on when i should be there were multiple things in lifestyle that she wanted to fix and also she gave me some sort of a medication um combination of ghee and some other herbs which would focus on the digestive system and constipation and you know interestingly when i walked away there was nothing in the herb list which was directly going to be an application on the eczema but i said okay you know it’s okay i will just trust her what she has to say and try it and so for the next three months i um get you know ate whatever she gave me and interestingly what i had ha suffered for for 10 years that went away i mean with that medication and change of lifestyle those five six seven things i did it completely transformed my life where you know the bowel movement you know interestingly in ayurveda it’s such an important aspect of your life which we completely ignore you know so i had never thought that having a great bowel movement is going to give me that moment of aha and satisfaction so with those herbs for the next three months it just magically transformed my life and uh and and that was something i never thought i could get off pills i thought i would always need it so that actually got me interested in ayurveda i mean it didn’t handle my eczema directly but that got me interested in studying ayurveda to really understand the science and how she arrived at what she was thinking and why she tackled what she did so interestingly my background is biochemistry so i had done i’ve studied biochemistry masters in biochemistry and then i did research for about five years and so i had that analytical mind where i really need to know why i’m doing something and how it’s affecting my body and how the pathways are acting so because this thing tackled my condition i wanted to know exactly what was the science behind it yeah no so i just i would like you to reiterate that what she gave you when you refer to it as medication they they were just herbs sort of the the source not any sort of compound right it was it was basically um food based so it was ghee which is clarified butter mixed with some of the other herbs which are locally available and you know they are legal here so and uh and it was basically just having that and i don’t think she gave me any other pills nothing else so i was supposed to have that that one teaspoon of that ghee early in the morning on empty stomach and prior to that you know my lifestyle was kind of all over the place because my husband was a grad student so we would go to bed at 3 a.m and wake up at noon so with the her consultation that shifted you know from um we would go to bed maybe 10 p.m and then wake up by 6 a.m and then i would do my yoga practice and so that was a huge change as well and and then incorporating that uh medicated or you know herb potentiated ghee and just for two months or three months so after that you know when i started i started looking for places where i could study ayurveda and i found a few online classes but i felt like i needed a community because i would read these books and i would get stuck on the 10th page or 11th page because there was some concept which i just wasn’t to dig through so finally you know i found our school which is vedica global and that was a very interesting encounter so it happened in a bookstore near our home and you know we would get these magazines where you have the listing of all the upcoming events so my husband was browsing through it and we we would never actually look at it so we would get that magazine because we were in that neighborhood but that month he was looking through it and he found um acharya shunya giving a talk in this bookstore and he’s like you got to go to this talk and i was like uh why why her so he said you know she he had heard her talk maybe 10 years ago in berkeley and what she had said at that time really stuck with him so she’s a very powerful teacher and conveys things in a very simple format so i said okay so it was a free you know wednesday evening class for one and a half hour just to introduce the topic so i showed up there um and there was a workshop on the weekend which i hadn’t signed up for but i thought i’ll just go see and check it out so at the end of that one and a half hour talk i was really moved and you know i was i went up to her to say hello but i was i started crying and um i i don’t think it was tears of sorrow it was just i couldn’t help myself there was something which had really shaken for me and uh when we met you know i’m not even sure if i should say it but when we met she said where have you been i’ve been waiting for you and we have a long way to go and i said uh okay

    you know i live in mountain view and school is in emeryville and it’s quite a drive and i have a full-time job so i’m not sure she’s like logistics are you know something which you should never be concerned about it’ll all work out but come you know we have a lot a lot of work and we have a long way to go and then i took the weekend class and then you know that’s how the journey really began with not knowing what lied in the future but just doing it more as a self-care and for self-healing so i joined the school for you know the school at that time we had these different programs where the first two months were set was self-care and then there was a year program which was you know more into self-care where you can go deeper into it and really help yourself and your family and then there was a three-year course which would um allow you to help the community and then there was a five-year course beyond that like if you wanted to do which would make you into a practitioner so i said okay you know i’m going to take one thing at a time and i started with two months and you know i went and talked to my boss and i said that um you know i really want to do this and this is a course which is happening but you know it’s in the evening and i work till five is there a way i could leave earlier and he said anything to support yourself journey that’s totally fine you know for two months it’s not a problem i said okay excellent so for two months i found a carpool and it was just amazing but the moment the two month ended and i was like this is not enough i want to go deeper so then you know again that conversation with my boss and he seemed fine and you know somehow it just worked itself out and interestingly at the end of finishing the one-year course i had already started to heal my eczema because you know with a lot of lifestyle and food and dietary habits things started to shift and so i i didn’t really need any uh major herbs for it but just a few changes with food and lifestyle had a huge impact on it and that’s when i found out that you know some of these skin things are really triggered by stress at the i didn’t experience active stress but there was something lying subconscious which i didn’t quite connect the dots so the map started forming for me and so what started more as a two-year one-year program you know it just kept happening and then i finished as a five-year graduate

    it’s such a beautiful science it’s so amazing i mean till this date i graduated i think 2014 um end of 2014 and it speed almost three years but i’m still learning because now you know i i also teach so as i teach i find more questions and then i go back into the books and then i’m learning more so it’s it’s a lifelong study but it’s just so beautiful on how it factors into every aspect of life and it’s not just a compartment of oh you know you have a headache let’s just focus on your head and forget everything else because you know there is no body under it no let’s look at everything in your life house you know how’s your relationship how’s your digestive system how’s your mental health how are you doing lifestyle wise how are your food habits how are your interactions everything so when you were um you were studying to be a yoga teacher in india right that’s right did did you um had you trained at all in biochemistry yes prior to that so so was were you going to teach yoga on the side or what was sort of your your game plan at that point you know i actually don’t know i was always drawn to these things so with the yoga teacher training my agenda really was that it was a month long and it was called yoga teacher training so it was a month long um going away in an ashram shivananda ashram and it was in the hills so for me it was more of the experience you know just to be living a certain life in an ashram and learning yoga and getting something out of it and going deeper into the knowledge so it wasn’t really from a career perspective it was more from a deep learning perspective that i wanted to know more and know more of the philosophy be behind the yoga asanas and that school did focus on that you know maybe not so much in depth but still we would have the asana or the posture practice on how to learn it and then how to teach it both but there was a significant amount of time where we were also taught the philosophy and i love that part and and did they cover any ayurvedic principles was that part of that training no not really actually there’s a real separation i mean yeah i think even food wise they had very pure food you know satwik food but i wouldn’t necessarily say that they were following ayurveda principles actively they may be doing it subconsciously but you know we weren’t taught about it it never happened you know interestingly the first exposure i had to ayurveda was pre-biochemistry so in my past life i also did an mba um so my uh education journey has been pretty crazy so as an undergrad actually in india when you finish your middle school and when you’re in high school in the 11th 12th grade you choose a stream it’s either arts which is liberal arts or science or commerce meaning more on the business side and i didn’t i wasn’t a very bright student and so um you know so then you can’t just choose something because you like it it is based on how much percentage you make so because i was on the lowest end my only option was liberal arts so you know so it’s like the highest if you’re getting above 80 percentile you’ll be in the science if you’re getting you know a little lower than that you have an option of going into commerce but if you are even below that then you go into liberal arts because they don’t ask you to leave the school so i did liberal arts and you know political science history and i took mathematics too and then after my 12th grade you know then the options were again limited but then i studied business in my undergrad which was a lot more fun than what i had studied in school so i did that and then in india you know your parents really decide your trajectory on where you’re going to go regardless of what your interest is so i was interested in psychology but they felt no no no we need you to study something else so i studied business in my undergrad so automatically because you’re business undergrad you do a master’s in business so the masters in business happened for me in maharashi university in iowa in iowa yes that’s how i came to the us in 2000 and so there you know that was a very interesting school it’s an amazing school so the way they work is it’s a block system so you take one subject you study that over a whole month and that you know in between you have a midterm and then you have a final and then you have a long weekend at the end of each month but they also have the spiritual aspect integrated so there is you know transcendental meditation and um the other there is also yoga and they’re big into ayurveda so a lot of the teachers who teach in that school they would you know as a part of their incentive i believe they would go for yearly panchakarmas within ayurveds the place the place is called the raj and so i would i was exposed to this you know so that was the first time when i heard about vata pitta kapha and all the teachers are eating this chavan prash and there are these teas available in our bookstore and i said what is this stuff you know why are people going crazy about this what was so fascinating is that you were born and raised in india and you had to come to iowa exactly and and seeing people’s dedication to it you know that going for panchakarma and the food was so fresh and they would emphasize on it and and sadly because i had just come from india you know um i wanted more fast food and so the school was completely vegetarian so and you had to walk miles to access any fast food place like the closest being a burger king which was at least three mile walk but call it desperation we would go all the way there to eat the junk and not eat the healthy food which was provided in our cafeteria wow and you know so and the timings were according to the daily routine how we have in ayurveda you know so morning breakfast was at a certain time and lunch but the best was dinner like you would not be served dinner after 6 30 p.m i think that was the latest 6 30 or 7. so they really followed that rule and uh again you know that was so strange for us that who eats dinner at 6 p.m and so yeah but i didn’t have that appreciation for it at that time so um your your studies in biochemistry were were in the states or in india that was in the us so after mba i studied biochemistry at georgetown university in washington dc and uh yeah it was a it was a one and a half to two year program and that that got me interested into you know learning more of holistic approach reason being because i was coming from business so in business you have like a overall vision you know when you’re looking at an organization with different departments and everything so you’re not just compartmentalizing but with biochemistry or any kind of science you’re going at a cellular molecular level so you’re really coming down to narrow it to one little pathway or one little thing that is happening inside which was good but i kind of like the bigger vision that okay you know we are studying so i was after i finished my biochemistry i was working in a lab which worked on alzheimer’s disease and so our focus was really you know one tiny part of the brain and uh we were more into the you know and and when we would study these brain sections of people who passed away with alzheimer’s and look at a certain part of the cortex under the microscope our focus was just that i mean there was a huge story there but we were still missing the bigger picture and that always you know somehow i felt there was a missing piece that this is not it i need to find something bigger you know something bigger which encompasses this but it’s not it and i i didn’t quite know how to put it together at that point and then i thought maybe it’s this particular condition which doesn’t quite excite me because you know we’re not getting too far with it i was in a basic science research so um so were your days i mean were you like wearing the white lab coat and you know working in a very clean environment just doing research looking through microscopes what was your daily life like was it really like that it was like that and it was spending a lot of time in the dark room you know either developing films because we would do all these uh x-rays of you know certain it’s called western blot where you’re studying certain um proteins and uh or slicing the brain and then you know staining them and then looking it under the microscope and seeing all these in alzheimer’s disease there is there are these plaque formation in the brain so you would see these and and you know all of that is so fascinating just to see it under the microscope and you know one tiny thing can impact your neurons so heavily and uh but there was a lot of alone time you know when you’re doing things on your own you’re imagining things and you’re literally having these stories come alive where you have some kind of hypothesis and you’re trying to match it with whatever research you’re doing to see if the results are coming together so and what you do now like how different is it dramatically different is it from that type of work it’s completely you know 100 no 360 degrees or 180 degrees so then you know actually after um georgetown my job i once i was done with that i moved back to india got married and came to bay area and then once i was here and my husband was a grad student so i had to find a job and so he wanted me to go explore and my only experience was in a lab so i had no other option so then i went back into a lab doing research of a different kind and it was uh studying fishes and again you know similar we’re spending a lot of time in the dark room and you know a microscope and looking at all of the stuff but then once ayurveda studies happened and i think around my third year in ayurveda is when i decided to quit my job because one i was expecting our first child and two i felt like i’m done with this you know i’m not doing justice to my soul by being where i was um because it was a very limited thinking process of just a whole field so i wanted some more expansion to it and so when i with ayurveda now um i do multiple things i wear many hats one of them being i am the program director at the school from where i graduated so i get these um you know i get to design the curriculum design workshops and how the classes will flow what will go in it it’s amazing on you know having that flow on how i want to teach it and you know the whole field is my play area and i can pick anything from anywhere and um i run a clinic which is donation based it’s in its fourth year of running and that has been going on for since you know early 2014 and along with that i also teach at different places one is within my school and different you know one was where you came to attend the class i also teach um yearly at least once or twice at stanford which started happening um also about two years ago so you know so with the teaching and with you know designing the programs and with the clinic they all kind of feed into each other where there’s a lot of community some you know constantly involved with people not in microscope rooms anymore but also you know it is it’s much broader uh questioning but interestingly you know given that when i worked in the lab i didn’t appreciate it so much because i didn’t quite know what was the meaning in it but now studying ayurveda i appreciate my science knowledge so much more because what it did to me was it gave me a very analytical thinking so i wouldn’t just stop at oh because so and so sage says this so this is it you know so be it i have to know why you know if certain foods are not working with each other i have to know why and so that research uh mindset has really helped me even to teach you know given when people ask certain questions it really helps to bring that element of the biochemistry where you’re just thinking in one pathway and to have that holistic perspective to have a bigger picture so it’s almost like when i’m hearing the question i’m literally imagining going inside the body and seeing how things are playing out i mean not that i can see anything but you know no no i mean it all feeds into you know a deeper understanding so as as part of your work at the clinic are you doing consults with people who come in and and may have some kind of condition like a skin rash but you dig deeper to help them find sort of the source of of the problem yes it’s it’s all over so the age group is literally you know from birth or you know i’ve seen the youngest i think six month old and the oldest i have seen is a 88 or 89 year old and the conditions vary you know from um it could be a minor cold which keeps reoccurring to something like um people are struggling with cancer and to them because our clinic you know so one of the things our school specializes in and it’s unique is that it focuses just on diet and lifestyle and it’s fundamentally based on the principle that if your diet is wrong medicine is of no use and if your diet is right medicine is of no need and that’s um such a powerful court to sit with that you know i use it while teaching i use it while i’m in the clinic and i’ve seen that work through with people so for instance you know when people are coming with cancer i have to clarify to them that i don’t prescribe any medication or herbs you have to still consult your regular physician for whatever treatment you’re taking but what i can support you maybe is with food and lifestyle if you’re open to it so sometimes they follow through sometimes they don’t because you know they have a strict um food regime around it so there is no imposition or you know we don’t take them off anything whatever they’re comfortable with but it’s more of an education platform as to how things are working and what is going on and for them to be able to make the decision if they wanted to go with it or they didn’t want to but worth it i think the success has been mostly with metabolic issues where um you know people have suffered with digestion related issues for years and they haven’t quite been able to connect that one food that they’re eating and how they’re feeling and just eliminating that it’s literally you know making these minor changes which has such a huge impact and it’s amazing to see that and it you know keeps repeating itself like just incorporating for instance hot water or just incorporating waking up early i mean i can vouch for the waking up early you know from the from waking up at noon all the way to waking up at 6 00 am and i think i’ve continued that even now it’s amazing it’s like you feel more energetic you have more time in the day and you’re more functional you’re more efficient but it’s hard to explain that but it’s so experiential so that’s how we uh you know ayurvedically when we would interact with people we would try to bring that element that try one tiny thing and see how that works on you and from there you would know because once your body which is a lab has experienced it it knows how it’s going to behave and once you have experienced the fruit of it the chances of you incorporating that more in your life are higher and we wouldn’t have to micromanage your life well you it sounds like you already had that seed planted by your approach to handling your eczema before you discovered ayurveda because you what you told me was you try this alternative modality for six months and then you try another and you were very methodical about it i was impressed with that i don’t think you talked about that at the workshop i went to yeah i think the story has become so long it’s always hard to say you know what to incorporate and what to leave out i do remember and i believe it was you that told this story and if you don’t want to talk about it that’s fine but it was about someone who came to you and you discovered that all they consumed were smoothies uh-huh i have many of those that’s your story right uh which which one can you remind me again it was a woman who had i can’t remember what the issues were right but she said they’re healthy i read that a smoothie is healthy and you found out that’s all she consumed that was her total diet was that right right yeah i remember that story so this lady was actually interestingly you know when um um when you attended the class and you went through these concepts of vata kapha so you know the air element right i’m just gonna give that brief outline for anyone who’s listening for the first time that the five elements come together to form these three doshas and these five elements also play out on a daily basis you know certain time of the day they are more active and similarly even with stage of life so air element is most active in the third stage of life so post 55 years of age or 60 years of age so that’s there is a little variation there and basically means that you know at that stage of life your body is more in that depletion mode but if you’ve had enough nourishment in the first um 40-50 years of your life as in you’ve been healthy and lived well and done things correctly then you wouldn’t have that much depletion in that stage so she was above 55 and she’d been on a smoothie diet because somebody had told her that’s what is um good for her so she would have the green smoothie for breakfast and then for lunch and for dinner almost for two years and when i had seen her what she had come with is you know a lot of um dryness in the knees you know cracking bones as well as some kind of a strange bump in her hand and right yes yes it was you know it was almost like a dip it wasn’t a bump it was a dip and um and you know i have to say this sadly i got excited seeing that after questioning because i was like oh my god you’re a perfect case of what an aggravated air quality can do you know it really dries you up so the cracking of the sound is air and the dip which is depletion is again because of that air and space element and i said what you know so when we went through her diet i was like wow there was absolutely no element of oil and no warm foods and i said all you know if if it were up to me i would keep you in a tub of oil for almost a week because i can almost imagine you know the body coming back to shape after being in an oily place you know it’s i love these analogies and um imaginations where you can imagine things coming back to their shape because they were so dry have you seen that you know i’ve seen my daughter’s toy where you soak a dinosaur in water for 48 hours and it expands

    so it was like that i said you know i almost can see that your issues would be fixed because there is so much dryness and it’s almost sad that you know when people would come to the clinic and they say i eat mostly healthy and that’s always alarming for me because you know the health defined because we have all the access to internet and all these different places people don’t rely on authentic sources so that’s an issue that they would not you know go back and check where is this reference taken from if it is just someone’s blog or writing basically you’re just relying things on people’s opinion and that’s a problem because it has no coat from the source text so with her what we did was you know primarily put her on oil and oiling regularly all all over her body as well as incorporating some amount of cooked foods and you know getting rid of the smoothie so the bump of course i mean the dip in the hand of course didn’t go but she definitely felt better with her knee pain and and the other bath experiences that she was going through and so i was telling her that that should be you know enough testimonial for you to see that your body needs that kind of nourishment and you know this so-called healthy food is actually not helping you yeah what i i i’ve actually repeated my interpretation of this of your story to several people because for me the most astonishing thing is that somebody can hear information you know this food kale is good you know how every few months there’s another rage about the superfood and so they take that piece of information and they they treat it like gospel and that’s all they eat and i it just you know it’s scary that people can sort of misinterpret information like that so thank you for um filling out that story because it it’s a bigger story i had forgotten about the um

    you know what what it was indicative of in terms of our ayurveda yeah so one of the other things is also that you know people don’t apply things in moderation and i don’t know if it’s a problem of the current age or it has always existed i’m not sure because you know i’ve just been in the clinic for last three and a half years um anything like you said you know kale is a super food so people would go in extreme it’s part of every diet and ayurveda’s message really is moderation so for instance khichari is a superfood and it’s considered medicinal in many ways you know as a cleanser as a digestive but again overdoing it would also hurt you so it’s not that anything which is overdone it may have the most amazing qualities it cannot help you because that’s not the goal moderation is the key that is a good bumper sticker moderation is the key okay well i um this has been fascinating and i’m conscious of the time and i think um i think what i’d like to have you um talk about and you know this is such a a broad question but what would you recommend to people out there who have some sort of condition and they know nothing about ayurveda uh what would you suggest they do because i i know something with such a rich history can be daunting you know people write they want that quick fix they want are you better light right right i think you know i mean given with my teaching experience right now in the last two two and a half years where you know when i’m going into the stanford community and um interestingly you know the workshop we did with you guys was a two day long workshop which is a little more intensive and we can get more information down but it’s still pretty encapsulated and so with these shorter classes and workshops it’s so hard to pass the information in a way that it’ll stay with you and also for you to be able to apply i feel that you know my main key points for people have been one moderation is the key no matter what you’re doing and anything that you feel is healthy to re-question it you know how to do it and so you would read different books with ayurveda and even when you know we were in the workshop we gave information about our daily routine the kind of foods the timing of the day but it’s important to make one change at a time because again the moderation is the key here as well where you don’t want to apply everything in one go and go to the other extreme because you’re gonna shock your body it hasn’t been used to it so one one implement you know implementing one tiny change by just maybe switching from cold water to little warmer water depending on the season because if it’s hot weather you won’t want to drink hot water and um if you know you’re waking up at 8 a.m for instance then going back a little 15 minutes so doing some of these books give you a lot of information on what are the key ways of living a life and taking those and implementing maybe one or two things on a daily basis and seeing how that feels for you because um you know one of the things is also that ayurveda can deal with um chronicity of a situation far more than you know when you are dealing with something which is just super basic meaning that you’ve suffered with a condition for many years you know for instance that eczema patch that i had um you know it was just a patch until it manifested in a full form on my two legs they couldn’t call it eczema because you know it was more of just starting to come and surface and it hadn’t manifested into a disease so conventional medicine is great handling when it comes to a full fledged disease but with ayurveda if you’ve suffered with those lightness of things for many years you know like a chronic cuff for instance or a chronic cold then it will intervene and say oh you know let’s look at the root causes how you’ve been living how you’ve been eating how are your bowel movements how is your sleep so it’ll go back into all of that and tweak things to adjust to see where things are wrong and to fix it and it may take three or four months but it’ll actually handle it from the root cause and it won’t just be symptomatic relief it won’t be okay like let me just give you a cough drop and you’ll be fine at night and you’ll be able to sleep through no we want it to go away you know we’re not going to do just a band-aid on this for you to be okay for just a few days and then go back and suffer so um i think i know which book you’d recommend i would say i’m so biased towards my teacher’s book so ayurveda lifestyle wisdom definitely is the book that i absolutely think has you know mostly lifestyle related tools that can be implemented and and it also goes through the daily routine and how things should be done it’s a pretty fat book but it’s not recommended to read like cover to cover if you want to great there are some amazing stories there but uh it’s really you know one of those books where i would just randomly open a page and i would read two or three pages and i’m you know i have to digest it because there is so much information and more from a deeper knowledge perspective that you can’t just read clothes and forget about it it’s really food for thought i will definitely include a link to uh the book and how about a website um the the center’s website uh that’s vedica global.org okay any other website was so you know people listen to this podcast all over the country and actually i have listeners you know uh in uh different parts of the world what do you recommend or is there a quote-unquote clearinghouse of you know where to go for ayurvedic treatment um so treatment per se our school is currently working on a clinic to be launched in 2018 um i was running this donation-based clinic and i’m on a pause because of maternity for about five six months but my colleague has taken over so if they go to vedica global.org there’s information about where to go for a consultation for diet and lifestyle it also has information about classes because the school’s purpose really was you know when when i mentioned that 250 dollars was a stiff price tag for me you know i when i started my practice that was something i couldn’t do um not because i felt that what she charged was wrong but because i felt that i wanted ayurveda to be accessible for people to be able to try and really you know transform their lives so the donation-based clinic happened because of my teacher’s vision because she really wanted ayurveda to be accessible to the whole community so we resonated on that and you know it has been amazing that we just we don’t charge money so it’s it’s very interesting the way this clinic runs it’s a three series appointment so the first time they come in with their forms and you know we’ll talk to them and it’s a full one our intake second appointment is where we hand out the diet lifestyle recommendations and third appointment is a month later where they’ll come and report how things were with them and at that point we’ll give them a feedback in a donation form if they wish to donate so you know interestingly this uh process evolved more over the last year and a half so now you know sometimes when people come in the first appointment they’re like i really want to make a donation and i and i’m very strict about it i’m like no because you haven’t been through the process and nothing has happened yet unfortunately we can’t accept it because we are also in that philosophy of that the generosity has to come from the heart when you’ve experienced something so you know so i you were allowed to make that donation in the third appointment and we would gladly accept but we cannot in the first and second hmm i like that it’s beautiful so yeah you know so with on the website there is information about classes a lot of classes are free as well you know there is uh the spiritual studies which is offered by webinar as well as in person so a lot of those classes are partly free partly donation based because the goal of the school essentially is more of an outreach to the community for healthy living and so they can you know make basic changes just with where they’re living with diet and lifestyle and to really be in sync with nature because the more we’re going inside our computers the more we are going away from the plants and trees so it’s really reconnecting with the soil well is there anything else you’d like to add i think that’s it sorry i i i thought i didn’t have much to say no it was wonderful and and you know i’m just i i so appreciate you doing this um because you you do have um you have a lot of wisdom and knowledge and you’re still a young woman so imagine what you’re gonna be like when you’re 60 you know i hope the knowledge keeps coming my way and i keep getting opportunities of learning these classes and workshop really helped me go deep and interacting with people and you know knowing their stories you know just like you are learning so much with people’s stories i love knowing people’s health stories and what what their take on it is and where we are coming at it from and then arriving at you know some mid-level ground to heal it yeah i mean it is you know the bittersweet part of having a condition is that it offers opportunities to to dig deeper um learn more that helps you physically emotionally and spiritually and um and this podcast series definitely is uh you know quite a journey for me well thank you so much rania thank you did i say right almost right almost right okay i’m gonna definitely before i introduce you i’m gonna you know practice so i’m gonna send you uh an email just to confirm a few things and what i would love is if you could send me a photo of you whatever photo you like you know if it’s um you teaching or interacting with a client and the client you know could be their back it doesn’t you don’t have to reveal a face or anything whatever you feel comfortable with that would be great okay sure we’ll do that or i’ll just send you my headshot okay well i i hope these next three weeks are um very relaxing and comforting and do you know if you’re having a boy or a girl it’s a boy and you know it’s amazing he supported me all through you know and he’s also going in all these classes and teaching with follow-ups it’s super fun you know interestingly my daughter when i was pregnant with her i was studying at vedic i was in my first year of school or second year of school and then when she happened i used to take her with me as a carpool partner so you know i had hired a babysitter in emeryville so she would take her and in between i would nurse her and take notes in the class so she’s been with me through my ayurveda journey and it’s amazing because now you know with foods that she eats you know she knows when she’s coming down with the cold she’ll tell me what medicine and honey and you know she’ll avoid certain foods it’s it’s it’s so amazing to see that that you know it’s part of her lifestyle and education that she got that concept so early on cool wow that is great well i and and she’s ready for her brother she’s excited she’s super excited and i told her i had planned it in such a way that the baby arrives in summer vacation so she had something to play well thank you so much and i look forward to i’m um you know seeing you again you know hopefully at the emeryville center i’m looking forward to going to an event or something there yeah that’ll be great i would be there again back maybe in a couple of months but you’ll have a lot of fun people to meet there it’s a it’s a good place yes why i so enjoyed the the workshop that i went to well thank you and have a wonderful weekend and um you know we’ll be in touch yeah you too thank you leslie bye bye bye

  • AIDS, activism, gut health, micro-organisms & role models: A conversation with Sandor Katz

    AIDS, activism, gut health, micro-organisms & role models: A conversation with Sandor Katz

    Sandor Katz has been living with AIDS for over 20 years. In this episode he talks about his early activism, getting back to nature, and his passion for fermented foods.

    You can learn more about the wonderful world of micro-organisms through Sandor’s books — Wild Fermentation and The Art of Fermentation — as well as his website with links to his YouTube videos.

    Transcript

    welcome to glass half full with leslie krongold she shares her stories experiences and knowledge of living and coping with a chronic health condition learn about tools and resources and hear inspirational interviews that help you to live a life filled with quality and dignity with two decades of support group leadership leslie’s ready to help you make lemonade out of life’s lemons are you ready

    hello and welcome to this podcast episode with my guest sandor katz he calls himself a fermentation revivalist but he’s a lot more than that as you’ll soon see i first heard about xander because of his book wild fermentation which my partner or spouse read a few years ago the book launched her avid curiosity about fermented foods and soon there were fermented projects all over the house a crock of sauerkraut quasi cheese in the toaster oven sourdough starters on the counter tanks of beer in the hallway closet and a variety of unrecognizable beverages some of them were very tasty and some were a bit too bitter for my taste buds but it intrigued me enough to start attending fermentation events where i heard even more about sand sandor katz and the publication of his third book the art of fermentation in 2012 i witnessed legions of fans speak about him with awe this book has become the fermenter’s bible okay and then i heard this little factoid that convinced me to learn more about sandor as well as fermentation he is a man living with aids and fermented foods have helped him with the healing process now you’re talking my language someone with a chronic health condition living life fully so i don’t know sandor we’ve never met this is my first interview with someone i have never met and have no connection to so i’m preparing for our skype conversation he lives in rural tennessee i felt like a real journalist we had an email exchange and he graciously graciously accepted my invitation for an interview our conversation covers everything from aids to activism gut health microorganisms and role models healing can really encompass so many different avenues different modalities what you eat how you eat communing with nature or focusing your energies on activism i hope you enjoy listening to our conversation so i mean you know as i told you in our email correspondence i mean i you know i i’m not a clinician um you know i certainly don’t know um you know sort of much about you know the specific disease that that you’re dealing with um or most people’s diseases but i do but i have learned um you know a lot about you know some ways in which um you know fermented foods can be helpful to people and really i’d love for you to speak from your own experience you know um you were diagnosed with hiv in the early 90s right this is true this is true but i mean you know i’m also i mean i i mean i consider to be fermented foods uh you know a piece of what keeps me healthy but i also take hiv meds and sometimes people misunderstand that and just assume that you know i have cured um you know hiv using fermented foods and you know while i think that you know you know good nutrition and probiotic stimulation you know help the immune system in all kinds of ways it generally does not amount to curing any specific disease including hiv you know the things i practice certainly having cured me of my condition but uh i find them to be definitely healing and i i personally don’t take any drugs and i read that for many years you were against taking any sort of the i guess azt and the earlier drugs that were available because you believed in clean living and i was wondering what clean living meant and did that coincide with your leaving new york and going to a more rural environment yeah sure i mean i would say that when you know when i tested positive in 1991 i was living in new york um i had a career in municipal government um you know that that year that i first tested positive is you know it’s really almost a blur when i think back on it you know it i mean i i certainly was involved in aids activism i knew a lot of people who were living with hiv i knew a lot of dynamic and vibrant and empowered people um but uh you know once once it was you know sort of my own health um you know i just i feel like i walked around in a daze for a year you know just feeling something huge has to change in my life and i can’t even picture what it is and you know i was um i was i was going to yoga classes almost every day i was meditating i was definitely experimenting with diet and at that time actually at the time when i tested positive i was already practicing a macrobiotic diet but um you know i i really felt like something big has to change and you know at the point when i met some people who lived in this community in tennessee and uh you know heard about its existence was enchanted by stories i was hearing you know that fit perfectly into the idea of looking to make a big change in my life and this friend of mine who i met because she was my yoga teacher had started taking me on plant walks in parks in new york city and i was getting interested in uh healing herbs you know sort of start starting to drink some herbal infusions as regular health practice and so i mean i feel like i was very open to the idea of moving to a rural place um you know having the opportunity to um get to know plants more intimately get more deeply into herbal medicine learn about growing food um uh and and and harvesting things and so at the point when i moved to to tennessee from new york city you know these things were were all on my mind i mean i wouldn’t say specifically that you know i i thought that like eating a particular way was going to save my life but i thought that you know sort of getting away from the stress of a more than full-time job um and new york city living in a rural place being involved in plants and getting my my hands uh uh in the earth and and growing food and eating that food drinking fresh spring water i mean these were sort of all aspects of a lifestyle that i was hoping would be a healthier lifestyle than the you know working to the point of exhaustion every day kind of lifestyle that i was living so i had read that you were you were concerned about the long-term toxicity of of drugs at that time and and you didn’t start taking antivirals until i guess you had a health crisis in the in 99 yeah that that’s when i that’s when i went on the on the meds yeah i mean i mean certainly in the early period when azt was the only uh um treatment that was available you know at least as long as i was feeling healthy i mean i never really considered doing that because i had certainly watched people who had been healthy you know start taking that drug and start getting really sick and you know the the early uh strategy with azt was high doses and now they give people you know doses that are a tiny fraction of the original doses and with other medications um but you know i didn’t really consider that and then when the new meds came out you know i just was i wasn’t considering myself a sick person it was hard for me to imagine you know getting on the medical tread wheel and taking drugs every day um you know for an abstraction you know something that showed up on my blood test but wasn’t like making me um uh uh feel sick um and so you know it really took um you know getting sick you know honestly i i it took me a long time to realize i was sick i mean my earliest symptoms i really viewed as um you know psychological symptoms uh you know i thought i thought i was depressed i thought that you know my loss of appetite was related to that and it took me a long time to recognize that i had you know all of the classic symptoms of um aids wasting and so well how’s your current health um my current health is is really pretty uh uh uh pretty strong and robust and um you know to some degree i i credit the the drugs with that but i’ll tell you that most of the people who i meet who take the kind of drugs that i take you know just live with chronic digestive problems and i have just never experienced any of that and um you know that really you know makes me think that you know alongside the meds that the you know kinds of foods that i eat that are you know sort of so you know tied up with good digestion have kept my digestive process strong well that’s a certainly good segue to talk about fermented foods so i read that you know you’ve always enjoyed pickles from your youth you grew up in new york but you didn’t start actually playing around with fermented foods until you moved out to tennessee right that is correct and so how does that coincide with your healing how did it come did it come after you were you had your health crisis my interest in fermented foods um uh certainly developed before my health crisis did i mean in my first year of i mean my interest in fermented foods i would say go back goes back to my childhood and um you know as a kid growing up in new york city i loved sour pickles and um you know they just were a favorite food of mine and i always have been you know drawn to the lactic acid flavor um you know it’s not that any of the adults in my life were talking about fermentation it’s not like my grandparents had a fermentation practice or my parents but um but i was drawn to this flavor of fermentation and you know i mentioned earlier that uh during my the later period that i was in new york i was following a macrobiotic diet and macrobiotics was definitely where i first heard about the the you know healing and medicinal potential of fermented foods because mac robotics places a great emphasis on um you know eating a little bit of a little bit of pickles at the beginning of each meal um you know as a digestive stimulant and and you know once i started thinking about that um i started observing that whenever i would eat these pickles that i had always loved or sauerkraut or kimchi or other kinds of fermented vegetables that i could literally feel my salivary glands under my tongue squirting out saliva and so in a really tangible way i started associating these foods with getting my digestive juices flowing so how has your diet changed you know what percentage of your diet actually consists of fermented foods um i i mean i i’ll say that i really don’t at this point you know follow any particular kind of um a dietary ideology you know my my primary dietary ideology would be um you know variety and and and seasonality and i have a beautiful garden and to the extent that i can i i eat out of my garden um but i don’t think any one kind of food is the best food or the answer i mean i love fermented foods i’ve been teaching people about fermented foods and promoting fermented foods and beverages but that doesn’t mean that because fermented foods are good that you know cutting out everything else and eating exclusively fermented foods is somehow better i think that um you know diversity is probably the highest value in in diet and eating lots of different kinds of plants um eating lots of different kinds of ferments so i mean i lots of lots of different kinds of food i mean like i love eggs i mean i’d say half half the time my breakfast is consists primarily of eggs but you know certainly not exclusively i know about fermented foods being good for your gut for your gut health um how else has the consumption of fermented foods been healing for you well i mean okay i mean par part of the answer of this has to be we don’t know i mean you know until the beginning of of the new millennium science had no way of studying bacteria beyond individual organisms that could be cultivated in a dish so you know our ability to sort of look at and understand the dynamics of interactions between microbial communities is really a brand new thing so i mean it’s pretty well so so basically you know each of our bodies are host to um something like a trillion bacteria uh you know increasingly evolutionary biologists are coming to the conclusion that all life is um uh evolved from bacteria the flip side of this is that no form of life has ever lived without bacteria it’s certainly not unique to human beings um you know i mean every uh uh every animal every plant every fungus is populated by bacteria and has never lived without them and and frankly probably couldn’t live without them so in our human or in our own human bodies we’re we’re learning extraordinary things about you know what bacteria do for us so um you know it’s it certainly a part of it is our ability to effectively digest food and assimilate nutrients from our food and and and that’s one big piece of it uh bacteria in our intestines actually synthesize essential nutrients for us so we don’t have to find them in our food what we think of as our immune system is mostly the work of bacteria in our intestines increasingly we’re realizing that you know serotonin and other chemical compounds that determine you know how we think and how we feel are regulated by bacteria in ways that we don’t fully understand uh the abilities of the cells of our livers to regenerate is regulated by bacteria in our intestines i mean almost every aspect of our health and well-being um is related to these bacteria so um historically nobody had to think about you know restoring gut biodiversity but you know for the last um you know most of a hundred years we’ve been living with you know in the midst of what i call the the war on bacteria and our uh bodies our battlegrounds in the in the war against bacteria and um you know we all have abundant chemical exposure frequently to chemicals designed to kill bacteria and you know that would include antibacterial cleansing products you know which have just been outlawed by the usda but we’ve all been using them for a couple of decades and you know they’re they’re found in private homes and and public institutions everywhere you know antibiotic drugs i’m certainly not against the use of antibiotic drugs i probably wouldn’t be here we’re not for the miracle of antibiotic drugs but everybody agrees that they’re overused as a result of their overuse and in health care and even more so in agriculture you know we’re finding rising levels of antibiotic compounds in our water table so we’re all ingesting low levels of antibiotics every day no matter how pristine the source of our water um you know and then the chlorine that’s in our drinking water um in the first place is also put there to to kill bacteria so we have all of this chemical exposure to kill bacteria which thankfully doesn’t kill all the bacteria otherwise it would kill us but but it diminishes biodiversity we think about biodiversity as an important concept you know out there you know having to do with um you know wolves and whales and trees and i mean that’s all important i mean i don’t mean to diminish that in any way but biodiversity is really just as important of a concept looking inside of us and so um you know what’s the relationship between eating bacteria-rich foods and these bacteria that help us i mean we don’t exactly know you know there’s some sort of an elaborate uh interaction that happens between the bacteria we ingest and the bacteria that are in residence in our intestines it’s a highly competitive environment what we do know about about bacteria though is that you know unlike us unlike plants unlike fungi bacteria are genetically flexible and can exchange genetic information so presumably the interaction between the bacteria we ingest and the bacteria that are residents or in our intestines is some sort of a genetic exchange

    so how does that trickle down to someone who in my community people with myotonic dystrophy which i know you know nothing about but one of the the major symptoms people complain about is gi stress and there’s also incredible amount of weakness and fatigue and in many people there’s a cognitive sort of apathy personality issues but gi stress is a big one and they will never most people will never become avid for mentors because of a lot you know variety of reasons mostly just the energy and motivation it would take to to start you know the little projects and everything what would you recommend it means i i know i’ve heard people talk about you know they bought some probiotic or prebiotic pill supplement that they take while still consuming a diet that i would i would judge it’s not very healthy um is it am i putting you on the spot by asking you you know what would you recommend for someone in that situation well i mean first of all i mean i think that probiotics do have their place but i think that you know mostly i would conceptualize the benefits of ingesting bacteria as being uh promoting biodiversity and um you know most probiotic capsules you know they might have five billion cells in them but it’s five billion copies of a single cell or of two or three so um you know i think that fermented foods are a much more you know effective uh source of diverse bacteria because all traditional fermented foods involve these broad communities of organisms rather than singular organisms single microorganisms are really a human technological achievement and in the natural world in our bodies microorganisms are always found in communities so you know i would say that foods are probably a superior source of probiotics than capsules if you don’t have the the motivation or the time to make them yourselves i mean yourself i mean certainly it is possible to um purchase you know good quality uh living fermented foods and beverages i mean you have to be a savvy consumer um i mean certainly the most commonly uh available products and the the products that you find um you know sort of in widest distribution um you know they’re heat processed i mean he he probably you know it with your sauerkraut sitting on the shelf in the supermarket is canned it’s it’s it’s heat processed and that’s what gives it that shelf stability a living product always has to that’s sealed in a jar always has to be in a refrigerator otherwise it’ll build up carbon dioxide and pressure and potentially explode or the juice will ooze out or whatever so as a practical matter these things are always found in the refrigerator and i would say you’ll you’ll find better products if you go to a natural foods market than you know at a mainstream supermarket but you know fermented vegetables fermented dairy products different kinds of lightly fermented beverages these are all excellent sources of probiotic bacteria and um and and you know because they need to stay refrigerated uh you know once they’re put in a jar they’re they’re kind of pricey um so i mean i would also just sort of challenge the idea that it’s hard to make them i you know really like if you take um you know two pounds of vegetables and 10 minutes of your time you know you can have a quart of fermented vegetables that you know would would cost you 15 or 20 bucks so um you know it’s really easy i mean all you do is chop or grate the vegetables to create surface area lightly salt them there’s no magic number of salt just salt it to taste then what i like to do is just get in there with my hands and squeeze it for five minutes what you’re doing is kind of bruising the vegetables and breaking down cell walls and helping them give up their juice and the significance of that is that the condition you’re trying to create what prevents molds from growing and enables lactic acid bacteria to dominate on the vegetables is getting them submerged if you just cor if you chop up vegetables and leave them in a bowl exposed to air it’s going to become engulfed with mold over time but when you stuff them into a jar and you’ve gotten them juicy and get them submerged under their own juices you know that’s when the lactic acid bacteria dominate and um you know i know that sometimes people project um anxiety about bacteria onto this process but let me just say that according to the u.s department of agriculture there has never been one single documented case of food poisoning or illness from fermented vegetables this is about as safe as food gets and you have some really great videos uh youtube videos about how to actually create that jar of vegetables i’ll include a link to that because i for many people you know once they they realize okay this is something they can do it’s not expensive it’s not uh you don’t have to get a prescription it’s natural if they have that motivation uh they may be able to achieve it and you know but there are some people who wouldn’t have the energy of the the cutting the chopping of the vegetable yeah yeah i understand that i’m going i have two other questions that are a little off this path i was wondering if there was anything else you wanted to say about fermented foods about your healing process before i go on to these other two questions well i mean i would just i would just add that you know these foods are incredibly delicious i mean most of the world’s major delicacies are products of fermentation you walk into any gourmet food store and what you see are products of fermentation you know they’re practical from a standpoint of food preservation as well um uh you know sauerkraut kimchi pickles you know yogurt cheese cured meats you know these have really all been you know strategies to preserve you know the over abundance that comes with certain seasons to get people through the seasons of relative scarcity so there’s just a lot of you know practical benefits to fermentation um and among them you know are these living bacteria that can um you know really um you know help digestion help overall immune function help mental health and you know anybody can benefit from that like you don’t have to be living with a chronic disease but if you’re living with a chronic disease then it can be especially helpful i was especially moved by the last chapter in wild fermentation and i’m reading uh not your newest edition so i have no idea how much you know okay right and this is and and just to let people in on it that that um just a few weeks ago uh um a revised edition of my original book wild fermentation was released but so let’s hear it but chances are i i kind of think in that last chapter most of the significant stuff uh stayed substantially the same so as someone diagnosed with a chronic health condition at a young age you were forced to think about death and conscious living before you know most average people do i mean and some people never really think about it or at least never speak about it and i really appreciated what you had to say about fermentation and composting as they relate to the cyclical nature of life and i was wondering if you could elaborate on this yeah i mean i was 29 years old when i tested hiv positive uh my mother died a couple of years before that so i was you know confronted you know i was confronted with death with her death um and then you know testing hiv positive and and sort of watching all of these um you know young young people who were my age uh uh past certainly gave me you know gave me pause and and um you know forced me to um you know think about my own mortality and i i think that you know i think that’s one of the things that sort of drew me to um you know moving to a rural area and being involved in growing things was the idea of being closer to the cycles of life and death and the cycles of nature but you know when i when i when i got involved with fermentation it really kind of fleshed that out for me if you will um you know because you know i just i just realized to what a degree you know fermentation is an essential link in the cycle of life and death because it’s really the cycle of life and death and fermentation and fermentation is what you know it’s microorganisms you know acting upon um you know dead plant and animal material in order to you know recycle nutrients and and and basically you know take the remnants of death and recycle them for further forms of life and you know when we when we sort of expand our view of it you know fermentation isn’t something that just happens you know in in kitchens uh and cellars in crocs and other kinds of vessels you know fermentation is what’s happening in the compost pile too and that’s the you know the recycling of the you know of of the waste from the kitchen the parts of vegetables you can’t use the things that go bad the weeds from the garden um you know recycling them back into humus which um you know nourishes further plant growth and um you know so so i think that you know fermentation is really um you know integral in the in in the whole cycle of life and death absolutely yeah i was it just was a particularly poignant uh chapter for me okay my final question and i wasn’t aware of your involvement with act up and aids activism until i read the transc script from the um oral history project that you linked to yeah you did your homework

    but anyhow so i i was wondering uh what role this this early activism played and the fact that you were involved in act up before you actually diagnosed positive what role that played for you in your journey with the illness um are you still an aids activist how does the activism change as you age because you know not just with aids or certainly other conditions cancer you know where some people choose to become really super involved and you know go to washington and meet with legislators it is a role that some people when diagnosed they naturally fall into and then it’s something that’s alien to other people they never have the desire so i was wondering how was that a coping mechanism for you well um i mean interestingly i got involved in aids activism before i tested positive myself so it’s certainly that’s not that’s not what you know got me in involved in it but um you know i i i think that the fact that i was involved in aids activism and through that you know sort of got to know so many um you know empowered people um who you know were were were making a difference and were not um you know like laying at home in bed feeling sorry for themselves that were you know kind of trying to do something you know really by the time i tested positive it just gave me gave me role models um and it really kept me from you know just um you know getting excessively morbid and just like imagining that this was you know going to kill me and that i should just give up um so i mean you know at this stage in life i i mean i actually have not remained super active um uh you know in in aids activism i mean some sometimes i’ll sometimes i’ll you know sort of hear about something going on and and um get involved with it but i have not been um um you know i have haven’t been um you know regularly involved in that or deeply involved in that

    if you’d like to learn more about sandor please check out his website in the podcast show notes on the glass apple website i have links to his books and his website where he has links to youtube videos he’ll show you the simple steps to create your own fermented vegetables thanks again sander for your time and thank you listeners for listening let’s toast to good gut health cheers thank you for listening to glass half full leslie invites you to leave a rating and review on itunes this helps spread the word to others dealing with chronic health issues for show notes updates and more visit the website glass half full dot online.online

  • Food = Medicine (2): The Veggie Queen

    Food = Medicine (2): The Veggie Queen

    This is a continuation of the last podcast episode exploring how food can be the best medicine. In this episode I spoke with Jill Nussinow, The Veggie Queen, at the Farm to Fermentation Festival. Jill is a Registered Dietician and author of cookbooks and DVDs. Her most recent book is Vegan Under Pressure: Perfect Vegan Meals Made Quick and Easy in Your Pressure Cooker.

    This podcast is for anyone interested in adding more plant-based dishes to their diet or is curious about fermented foods.

    Transcript

    welcome to glass half full with leslie krongold she shares her stories experiences and knowledge of living and coping with a chronic health condition learn about tools and resources and hear inspirational interviews that help you to live a life filled with quality and dignity with two decades of support group leadership leslie’s ready to help you make lemonade out of life’s lemons are you ready i hope you don’t mind but this episode is a continuation of the last episode exploring food as medicine maybe you saw the live stream on facebook this past weekend as i visited the farm to fermentation festival i couldn’t help but continue the discussion because i had a chance to interview the veggie queen it’s not everyday you meet with veggie royalty right so the queen was on hand talking about veggies and fermentation and all that good stuff and i didn’t want to keep you in suspense so you have this podcast as the second part of food as medicine before you meet the veggie queen jill nussenau i want to cover a few things first what is fermentation according to my friend wikipedia fermentation in food processing is the process of converting carbohydrates to alcohol or organic acids using microorganisms you know like yeasts or bacteria under anaerobic conditions fermentation usually implies that the action of microorganisms is desired according to sandor katz who has written several pivotal books about fermented foods and is thought to be the modern revivalist of fermentation eating a variety of live fermented foods helps promote diversity among microbial cultures in our bodies katz has aids acquired immune deficiency syndrome and considers fermented foods an integral part of his healing process the second item i’d like to briefly review is the idea of eating a plant-based diet jill being the veggie queen is more than qualified to talk about this and she will i just happened to read a lot of health related newsletters and wanted to prep you with a few tidbits for example one newsletter i receive is the women’s nutrition connection this is a monthly published by the wild cornell medical college and in last year’s june issue they discussed the five top foods for brain health foods that can boost memory and thinking and help prevent cognitive decline and those foods are berries the study included strawberry and blueberries nuts especially walnuts cruciferous vegetables and those are or they include cabbage broccoli cauliflower brussels sprouts kale arugula watercress and bok choy and then the fourth top food for brain health is cocoa powder and spinach in the july 2015 issue of this same newsletter there was an article about the powerhouse vegetables revealed by the cdc the centers for disease control and prevention and the study they were involved in measure nutrients in a variety of vegetables and they found 20 of these vegetables have the highest nutrient dense scores and the number one powerhouse veggie is you ready you ready can you guess what do you guess what i i know half of you are thinking kale but it’s not kale it’s watercress watercress i bet you don’t eat a lot of that okay so the others on the list but not necessarily in the order of their scores are and maybe it is in the order of their scores they just didn’t reveal that in the article uh chinese cabbage charred beet greens which are so good cooked i don’t need any of this stuff raw really spinach chicory leaf lettuce parsley romaine lettuce collard greens turnip greens mustard greens and knives chives kale dandelion greens red pepper arugula broccoli and pumpkin okay you ready for another tidbit eating tree nuts such as almonds brazil nuts cashews hazelnuts macadamias pecans pine nuts pistachios and walnuts are associated with lower body weight and a lower risk of cardiovascular disease and in the january 2015 issue of tufts university’s health and nutrition letter there’s an article about one of my favorite foods hummus it’s a staple of my diet it’s very easy to eat when you have chewing issues okay so the article is not really just about hummus it’s really it explains how garbanzo beans and black-eyed peas are a type of legume known as pulses pulses are known to improve cholesterol levels they are complex carbohydrates and have insoluble and salt insoluble fiber which helps with digestion and prevents constipation and finally you wondered how long i could keep this up right okay in the september 2016 issue that’s the current issue of self-healing by dr andrew weil you know the the good doctor with the beer the older chubby guy um well the good doctor promotes the seven superfoods for autumn and you’ll have to do your own research to find out why these foods are considered super but these superfoods are kale sweet potatoes brussels sprouts apples cranberries pumpkin and pomegranate and a pumpkin latte from starbucks would not qualify as a superfood at least i don’t think so those are my food facts for you the next few podcast episodes will explore topics such as the role animals can play in our lives and i’ve interviewed a woman with ms who has a service dog i have another interview with a woman who works with a voice coach and calls herself a musical philanthropist she raises money for a local non-profit organization and and seeing is her passion and then her i have another episode i’m working on that i’m calling reefer modness

    you m-o-d-n-e-s-s figure out that

    so as i previously mentioned i was at the farm to fermentation festival last week it was my fourth time attending this unique event in santa rosa california and four years ago may have been the first time i saw the veggie queen jill nussenau or it may have been the first time i may have been at the annual sonoma county mushroom camp we have some pretty cool events in northern california one how jill is a registered dietitian a culinary educator and has published books and dvds about cooking and she was kind enough to sit with me in the hallway for an interview before her presentation in the festival i first wanted to ask her what she recommends for people who really do want to make their diets more plant-based but are often bewildered on where and how to start well i think the main thing is to really look at what you’re eating that’s not plant-based and say oh what could i eat instead or just fill up with the plant foods the beans the grains the uh vegetables and fruit and nuts and seeds and then kind of go lower on the other foods and i think what people say is oh i’m going to cut it all out and then they end up eating pasta with tomato sauce or olive oil and they think they can live on that so i think the main thing is to get a really broad variety of food and the things that you like because people like oh i really want to eat that but i don’t like it it’s like you don’t have to not like the food that you eat unless you only eat like five or ten foods but most people eat way more so to really look at what’s out there and see what you could eat and i think you know there’s people know what’s good but they’re like there’s a lot of barriers like people say well i don’t cook well beans come in cans and you can actually i think you can buy almost anything pre-cooked and frozen in a store like they make frozen brown rice and frozen quinoa and frozen steel cut oats so you didn’t have to cook to get these things so i think that it’s really looking at the foods that you might want to choose that will fit in your lifestyle so uh your latest book is about using a pressure cooker absolutely it’s called vegan under pressure and it is the pressure cooker helps so many people and there are a number of people that i know who have chronic health conditions and other things who use the electric pressure cooker and love it because first of all you only lift the inner pot which isn’t heavy and so some people have issues with the lifting so um the inner pot is not heavy and for a lot of things you can just put the food in and push the button you know set it for 10 minutes it will cook like if you’re cooking soup or stew or chili and then just open it up and you have food so it doesn’t take a lot of energy to prepare the food to put in i mean if you don’t have the energy to like chop onions you can buy them already chopped there’s a lot of things that you can do that will make it way easier and the pressure cooker is so fast that that um you know how to how to uh you know cook beans it just kind of goes away but still people do use hands and that’s okay yeah i mean the goal is to get the best food you can any way you can get it into your body the crock pot you need to think yesterday and the pressure cooker you can think oh it’s 5 30. i want dinner okay so you have to think in advance the other thing is the food that comes out of the crock pot tends to be mushier and the food that comes out of the pressure cooker tends to be more firm and cooked the way that you might want it so the flavors stay more intact i would say than with the slow cooker so as a dietitian have you counseled people with any kind of chronic issues and you do just name someone or mention someone and what’s most helpful for them in terms of do you have any examples case studies um i think that me you know this is this is what i really think i have not really worked with a lot of people who have chronic health issues but some and i think one of the things and mcdougall and there’s lots and lots of people there but i don’t see them one-on-one so it’s just kind of general but one of the things that really i think is the main thing is like don’t try to do more than you can you know some people like well i have to and then you just wear yourself out and you still don’t have food so it’s like go slow go easy be easy on yourself and do what you can really do so if all you can do which is not all but if all you could do was make a pot of you know soup in a week and that’s what you ate for most of the week and you ate some other vegetables and fruits that’s fine you know some people like but i have to and it’s like there’s no have to’s there’s no perfection the goal is to get the best food that you can in the with the energy that you have so it may be that you don’t have a lot of energy but you really want to make sure that you eat better just use what you you know use your resources and your wrist one of your resources is how much energy you have and so some people want to try to be perfect but it’s not going to work is there any food you recommend to help with energy i mean a lot of people suffer from you know yeah well i think that the energy part um comes from you know eating the right foods and that would be cutting out the crap so not eating a lot of highly processed foods that have a lot of sugar in them once you get those down you eat more clean food i think it really helps so you mentioned before about frozen foods acceptable if you don’t have fresh foods you know about people who live outside this great salad bowl that we live in uh where they have limited you know people in the middle of the country well i have been to kansas a couple of times i’ve done cooking demonstrations there i’ve been to various other places and what i have to say is there is food in other parts of the world and the country and people like there’s nothing to eat i’m like and part of it is because people don’t know what to look for or where to look or what’s in season so yes you’re not going to get a whole range of food but i have a friend who grows kale in kansas in the winter they have squash they have rutabagas they have root vegetables so people sometimes are like there’s no food it’s like just because um there isn’t any there aren’t any tomatoes well there aren’t any tomatoes in california in the winter either so it’s like rethinking your food scene like what’s really in season and what i can eat and pretty much you can get greens anywhere any time of year and actually the winter greens are better than the summer greens because the summer greens are cruciferous vegetables they tend to get really hot and spicy and they’re not as good so there is food in other places and this actually is one of the things like with fermented food you can take the food that’s fresh now whatever time of year it is you can take your cabbage and you can ferment it and you can make sauerkraut which you can have for six months so it doesn’t have to be in season but it had to be in season at some moment somewhere and so there’s ways to get around that um but certainly the more fresh food you can eat the better but yes people tell me oh you live where it’s paradise yes i do but the reality is that you know it doesn’t have to be as you know as fresh from the farm as it can be but there are farms in other places in the country everywhere actually everywhere okay even in kansas even in kansas i’ve been to topeka and i’ve been to lawrence and there was food okay that’s good to know yeah yeah i haven’t been there so here we are at the farm to a fermentation festival what’s so great about fermentation for our bodies well i mean the thing about fermentation that’s so good is basically your body is run by your immune system which makes up which is in your digestive system and many people have issues have digestive issues many people in this country have digestive issues and they don’t realize that many of the other things that happen to them stem from the fact that they’re not digesting their food very well so one of the things is that that you you know fermented foods actually help with your with your immune system by boosting it so the more fermented foods that you’re able to eat the better your immune system might work now as people who have compromised digestive systems and might not be able to metabolize their food very well and have all kinds of things that can go wrong those people are better off not eating necessarily things like sauerkraut or fermented pickles or really those harder to digest things but more things like miso or kombucha or kefir or yogurt or not dairy yogurt and things that are easy to eat that don’t require so much processing with your body because sometimes the sauerkraut and things like that that are really delicious are a little bit harder to digest also harder to chew definitely harder to chew yeah so i i mean one of my go-to’s is miso when i travel i often take a little jar because you can’t carry more than three ounces but a little jar of miso with me and then no matter where i am i can just get hot water and make miso soup so it’s really wonderful to be able to do and miso is really potent and delicious so i think it just helps boost your immune system i think it makes you feel good when you eat it and the thing to remember though is something like even sauerkraut you know it’s meant as a condiment like maybe you know two three four tablespoons but people have told me oh i bought it it was so good i ate half the jar i’m thinking oh my god my tummy hurts just thinking about it so there’s a limit you know but it really does help your immune system by helping your gut helping your gut helps your brain helps the rest of your body is there kombucha in kansas they’re you know what at the last time that i went to the mother earth news fair which is where i go there they had a a truck a food truck that was all fermented foods wow and they did have kombucha they have all this is the whole thing there’s a whole fermented food movement across the country so i met a young couple um in asheville north carolina they came from cincinnati ohio with their fermented foods and they were serving them there and they were delicious and it was wonderful so i think there is a whole thing people are catching on and the thing that’s so fascinating about the fermented foods is this is not new this is old so like you know i think like 100 years ago before there was refrigeration most people had fermented foods because it was a way to preserve the food so um my late mother told me stories about the pickle barrel and how she loved the pic i loved how she loved the pickles and like everybody you know in an area would have a pickle barrel and you would go and get your pickles because in the neighborhood yeah in various places like you know they’d have a pickle barrel and you could go get you could buy pickles like now if you go to buy a pickle i think they’re like two or three dollars but these probably were not expensive and it was the only way you could have them or sauerkraut you know you’ll hear people like oh my grandmother had a croc and it was 40 gallons and you know you hear this stuff and it’s like not new but people think oh it’s so new it’s so different but if you didn’t do anything with your food and it didn’t rot and you knew the thing to do with it you could ferment it fairly easily so any other tips for people you know with any kind of condition like life that is right yeah well you know yeah i think it’s important to make sure that you get if you can tolerate it you get fresh food you get fermented food you have some cooked food if you can tolerate whatever you can tolerate but every day i like to say when you eat something cooked eat something raw and so that’s like i have these very short list of food rules and that’s one of them and so for me it might be like i like to make this little sauce of miso tahini lemon juice and maybe some garlic and just stir that up and put it on my cooked food because then i get something fermented with it or maybe put a couple tablespoons of sauerkraut on top of my cooked food or just chop up some herbs or and put that on top of my cooked food so i think there’s a synergy between our food and we’re not meant to eat all cooked food or all raw food at least i don’t tolerate it really well and a little fermented food to make any mushrooms and mushrooms mushrooms are immune boosters like you cannot believe and so i love mushrooms i actually have never fermented mushrooms but i’d like to try and see what happens with them i just the texture thing kind of just has my brain like thinking yeah it’ll be slimy but maybe it wouldn’t be but mushrooms are extremely important and i highly encourage people to either eat them as food or if you can’t take capsules or do a tincture or something they change your life my husband has asthma and he started taking mushroom capsules and he changed things he yeah he really boosted his immune system it used to be if somebody got a cold or something or the flu he’d get it immediately go right to his lungs and he’d be down he started taking the mushrooms he no longer gets affected if everybody in his office got something he might get something but maybe not but maybe for two days instead of a week really made a huge difference great yeah well thank you and he hates to eat mushrooms just so you know why he hasn’t come with you to the festival pops in once in a while but he won’t stay he won’t eat mushrooms yeah a lot of people they love him or hate him i love them yeah i thought so i hope so i hope yeah yeah in every form i mean i think they’re just amazing you need a lot too no i don’t eat them wrong but you can get mushroom powder so um i have a friend who just went through no i have a friend who just went through chemo and radiation for breast cancer and she now actually is doing the powder and she puts it in her smoothies so you can buy it as powder and use it that way no it’s actually not from host defense which i really support um but it’s from a company called mushroom matrix and they make one called critical care and one called immune so they have some for people who really really need boosting it’s really wonderful stuff so anything else uh no i have a website the veggie queen.com which i know you’ll mention and thank you for talking to me and i hope i can help some people because my mission in life is to get people to eat better to feel better and have healthier happier lives sounds good i’m with you on that thank you you’re welcome

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